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#1 2008-08-12 14:23:32

W8DIZ
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Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Build this Universal Double Balanced Diode Ring Mixer for $8.

http://kitsandparts.com/drm.php

-Diz, W8DIZ

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#2 2008-08-12 17:00:59

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

You can see my evaluation and explanation of the mixer at http://golddredgervideo.com/kitsandpart … dmixer.htm
Leonard

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#3 2009-08-29 16:23:28

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

What changes would I have to make in the diplexer for a 9mhz IF? 
Could you supply the correct parts for that?

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#4 2009-08-30 06:56:59

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

wa2me wrote:

What changes would I have to make in the diplexer for a 9mhz IF?

The simplest way is to rewind the inductors; use 10 turns on the FT37-61 and 12 turns on the T37-2.
-Diz

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#5 2010-01-12 14:31:36

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Hi All.

I'm just getting my feet wet building the RF Tool Kits .  So far I've built the Band Pass filter for 40 meters and now working on the Double Balanced Ring Mixer.  The instructions indicate that resistors R1 thru R6 are optional.  What are the pros and cons in building the mixer with and without the attenuator resistors?  My intention is to continue building until I have a working 40 metrer receiver.


Ron
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#6 2010-01-12 16:24:47

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

There are two attenuators  on the board, one controls the oscillator injection level, the other the signal input level.  It's probably a good idea to have the signal input attenuator off board so you can bypass it as needed.  The signal input attenuator's purpose is to keep from overloading the mixer from strong signals.  Most rigs will have the option of switching in either an attenuator (or several for different levels) or a preamp depending on band conditions.  The oscillator attenuator can be left on the board and the resistor values depend on the output of your vfo / dds unit.  Attenuators also provide a fixed input impedance to the mixer which is desirable, so if you stuff the board with attenuators having low loss (1-3db) and make up the loss with a pre-amp / osc driver the mixer will perform better.  Note that there is some bad effect on mixer noise figure from having the input attenuator (but an overloaded mixer is WORSE than the input noise, and below 30mhz antenna noise dominates over mixer noise anyway).

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#7 2010-01-13 08:29:26

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Thanks WA2MZE for the detailed explanation.

I've only put together two of the kits and I can see some interesting challenges ahead.  But that's why I'm here. One of the challenges is with the interconnects.  A bit of a learning curve there, but I'll get it figured out.


Ron
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#8 2010-12-16 17:00:18

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Say DIZ, why is the design of the diplexer on this asymmetrical with two different inductors?  Most of the diplexers I've seen following mixers had identical L and C for both the series and parallel elements.

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#9 2010-12-17 08:11:43

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

wa2mze wrote:

Say DIZ, why is the design of the diplexer on this asymmetrical with two different inductors?  Most of the diplexers I've seen following mixers had identical L and C for both the series and parallel elements.

Can't remember exactly, but there is a reason. Something to do with Q. I'll see if I can find a reference. - Diz

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#10 2010-12-29 20:59:54

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Being a newcomer to the double balanced ring diode assy----What equipment is necessary to adjust the 2 trimmer capacitors in the diplexer?  What am I to to look for by tuning each of them? Specifically, what is the purpose of each?    73

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#11 2010-12-30 06:35:56

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

QRP90MW wrote:

Being a newcomer to the double balanced ring diode assy----What equipment is necessary to adjust the 2 trimmer capacitors in the diplexer?  What am I to to look for by tuning each of them? Specifically, what is the purpose of each?    73

Need to adjust both trimmers for maximum output signal at the IF.
Both caps are part of an LC tuned circuit and should be adjusted to the IF center.
-Diz

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#12 2010-12-30 08:52:08

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

W8DIZ wrote:

QRP90MW wrote:

Being a newcomer to the double balanced ring diode assy----What equipment is necessary to adjust the 2 trimmer capacitors in the diplexer?  What am I to to look for by tuning each of them? Specifically, what is the purpose of each?    73

Need to adjust both trimmers for maximum output signal at the IF.
Both caps are part of an LC tuned circuit and should be adjusted to the IF center.
-Diz

That will get you in the ballpark, if you have the right test equipment you can get it closer to the ideal alignment which will give the lowest swr (best match to 50 ohm output) and best intercept figure.  I think the procedure was described in a recent ARRL HB.

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#13 2010-12-30 13:55:05

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Thanks for the info.  I was thinking they might be adjusted for minimum LO, or RF feed thru in cases where the balance is not perfect.   
Guess this accomplishs about the same thing. Thanks agn. 73

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#14 2011-09-24 02:47:04

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

hi. i have a question related to QRP90MW's question. what is the tuning range for the diplexer?


kc0wox's evaluation article shows a IF freq of 5MHz. i want to get a IF of 455KHz. will the diplexer work at that low a difference frequency?


i was also curious if this mixer would be suitable as a modulator for a qrp am transmitter?

Last edited by ssbothwell (2011-09-24 02:47:54)

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#15 2011-09-24 15:53:07

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

ssbothwell wrote:

hi. i have a question related to QRP90MW's question. what is the tuning range for the diplexer?
kc0wox's evaluation article shows a IF freq of 5MHz. i want to get a IF of 455KHz. will the diplexer work at that low a difference frequency?
i was also curious if this mixer would be suitable as a modulator for a qrp am transmitter?

You'll need a redesign of the diplexer to work at 455 KHz, especially to be able to fine tune it.
As for a modulator, I see no reason for it not to work...try it and post the results here.
73, Diz, W8DIZ

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#16 2011-09-24 17:09:40

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

is the diplexer by default setup for a 5MHz IF freq? what is the advantage of one difference frequency over another? i was under the impression that 455khz is fairly standard for superhet receivers.

as far as using it as a modulator, i would want to bypass the diplexer right? how much power do you think i could safely run through it without damaging the diodes?

thanks for the comment.

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#17 2011-09-24 21:02:43

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

"MY" diplexer IF is set up for 5 mhz.
The IF freq is determined by radio operating frequencies. Write a  book on that topic.
Not sure of the max power that the diodes can handle...you can google it.
-Diz

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#18 2011-09-25 16:09:43

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

okay good to know it is setup for 5MHz. thanks for the info. i'll report back once i have tested the mixer as a modulator.

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#19 2011-10-02 17:14:14

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

i'm having trouble getting finding the IF frequency. i a using a 3.6MHz ~9dBm hartley oscillator on the RF input and an HP3312A function generator set to 8.6MHz (RF+5MHz) on the LO input.

on the IF port i am seeing an 8.6Mhz signal. i have tried adjusting the two variable capacitors but they dont seem to make a noticable change. any ideas what might be wrong?

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#20 2011-10-03 06:07:30

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

ssbothwell wrote:

i'm having trouble getting finding the IF frequency. i a using a 3.6MHz ~9dBm hartley oscillator on the RF input and an HP3312A function generator set to 8.6MHz (RF+5MHz) on the LO input.
on the IF port i am seeing an 8.6Mhz signal. i have tried adjusting the two variable capacitors but they dont seem to make a noticable change. any ideas what might be wrong?

The mixer is a BALANCED mixer, hence the LO signal should be down 30-40 dB. Sounds like you have an unbalanced condition...maybe a bad solder joint on the mixer IC? -Diz

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#21 2011-10-03 17:45:08

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

i took a look at kc0wox's article and noticed that he has is RF input at -40dBm and the higher frequency signal on the RF input. i swapped my RF and LO sources and adjusted the RF signal to -40dBm. i had my HP3312A function generator waaay to high (at around 20dBm). now i have:

RF Input: 8.6MHz -40dBm (70mV RMS)
LO Input: 3.6MHz 9.5dBm
I just see 5mV noise on the IF output: http://i.imgur.com/8sz48.jpg

i checked my solder joints and they seem to be okay. they are not pretty but there seems to be continuity.

maybe i am measuring my input power wrong? what i did was run each signal source into a 50ohm load to calibrate the power and then replaced the loads with the mixer. The diplexer provides a 50 ohm load for the circuit right? or do i need to add my own load after the mixer?

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#22 2011-10-04 00:52:18

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Hi,

Isn't there an error in the labelling of J2 and J3.
J3 on the PCB board is J2 on the schematic and J2 on the schematic is J3 on the board.

Michel ON4DCP

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#23 2011-10-04 02:11:14

ssbothwell
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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

the J2/J3 labels are reversed in the schematic but the ports are still properly labled LO,RF,IF.

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#24 2011-11-25 23:24:30

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

hi w8diz. i have been really busy lately and have not had a chance to work on this mixer recently but i finally got a chance to take it off the shelf and mess with it today. i am still not able to make any progress.

like i said, i am using a fixed oscillator at 3.9MHz 9.5dBm and an HP-3312A function generator for LO and RF (i have tried them both in both positions). there definitely seems to be balance issues because i see the function generator input in the IF port. however, i have checked all my solder joints several times and cant figure out what is wrong with the circuit or why it is behaving unbalanced.

i really want this thing to work. sad

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#25 2011-11-26 07:30:38

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Re: Mixer - Double Balanced Diode Ring

Only think that can cause an unbalance is a bad wired transformer or shorted windings or a bad ring mixer.
The ring mixer can be tested in circuit with a ohm meter is you remove the transformers.
And just in case...rebuild the transformers before re-installing. - Diz

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